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Issue: RANGE-OF-COUNT-KEYWORD (Version 2)
- To: Dave.Touretzky@CS.CMU.EDU
- Subject: Issue: RANGE-OF-COUNT-KEYWORD (Version 2)
- From: Kent M Pitman <KMP@STONY-BROOK.SCRC.Symbolics.COM>
- Date: Mon, 22 Aug 88 11:39 EDT
- Cc: Scott.Fahlman@B.GP.CS.CMU.EDU, CL-Cleanup@SAIL.Stanford.EDU, KMP@STONY-BROOK.SCRC.Symbolics.COM
- In-reply-to: Your message
- References: <5787.588152756@DST.BOLTZ.CS.CMU.EDU>, The message of 21 Aug 88 15:36 EDT from Scott.Fahlman@B.GP.CS.CMU.EDU
Your proposal had a few oddities...
- The proposal named RESTRICT-TO-INTEGERS permitted NIL.
- The two proposals were orthogonal, and I wanted to vote for both.
If it were to be broken into two proposals, they should be
Fahlman's proposal (negatives are an error) and the merger of the
two you proposed.
- The proposal was not in the standard format.
For these reasons, I rewrote your proposal into a format I could vote on.
Hope you don't mind.
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Issue: RANGE-OF-COUNT-KEYWORD
References: :COUNT (p247), REMOVE[-xxx] (p253), DELETE[-xxx] (p254),
[N]SUBSTITUTE[-xxx] (pp255-256)
Category: CLARIFICATION
Edit history: 21-Aug-88, Version 1 by Dave Touretzky
22-Aug-88, Version 2 by Pitman
Status: For Internal Discussion
Problem Description:
CLtL is overly vague about legal values for the :COUNT keyword
parameters to builtin functions such as the sequence functions. It
says that the keyword ``limits the number of elements [affected]''.
Implementations have varied in their interpretation of this phrase,
however.
CLtL p247 specifies that if the :COUNT parameter to functions such
as REMOVE and DELETE ``is NIL or is not supplied, all matching items
are affected.'' Because of the placement of this requirement
outside of the description of the functions affected, some
implementations have overlooked this requirement and had to be
changed later.
CLtL doesn't say explicitly that the value of :COUNT must be an
integer, nor does it say what to do for negative values.
The fact that reasonable implementations disagree on some of the
details make this an obvious candidate for cleanup.
Proposal (RANGE-OF-COUNT-KEYWORD:NIL-OR-INTEGER):
Clarify that for the functions
REMOVE REMOVE-IF REMOVE-IF-NOT
DELETE DELETE-IF DELETE-IF-NOT
SUBSTITUTE SUBSTITUTE-IF SUBSTITUTE-IF-NOT
NSUBSTITUTE NSUBSTITUTE-IF NSUBSTITUTE-IF-NOT
the following restrictions on the :COUNT keyword parameter exist:
* The value of this parameter must be NIL or an integer.
* Using a negative integer value is functionally equivalent to
using a value of zero.
Test Case:
#1: (REMOVE 'A '(A B A B) :COUNT 0) => (A B A B)
#2: (REMOVE 'A '(A B A B) :COUNT -3) => (A B A B)
#3: (REMOVE 'A '(A B A B) :COUNT NIL) => (B B)
#4: (REMOVE 'A '(A B A B) :COUNT 1.0) is an error.
#5: (REMOVE 'A '(A B A B) :COUNT 'FOO) is an error.
Rationale:
Disallowing non-integer numbers is probably the original intent and
is consistent with other functions such as NTH (p265) which accept
count-like arguments that are explicitly required to integers. This
restriction would presumably permit better optimizations in low-safety
mode on stock hardware.
Allowing NIL to be equivalent to no value allows a simplified flow
of control in some situations. For example, one can write
(DEFUN MYDEL (ITEM &OPTIONAL COUNT)
(DELETE ITEM *MYLIST* :COUNT COUNT))
where otherwise it might be necessary to write something like
(DEFUN MYDEL (ITEM &OPTIONAL (COUNT NIL COUNT-P))
(IF COUNT-P
(DELETE ITEM *MYLIST* :COUNT COUNT)
(DELETE ITEM *MYLIST*)))
Allowing negative numbers frees users from having to do an explicit
check for negative numbers when the value of :COUNT is computed by
some complicated expression. For example:
(DEFUN LEAVE-AT-MOST (N ITEM SEQUENCE &KEY (FROM-END T))
(REMOVE ITEM SEQUENCE
:COUNT (PRINT (- (COUNT ITEM SEQUENCE) N))
:FROM-END FROM-END))
(LEAVE-AT-MOST 2 #\A "BANANAS") ==> "BANANS"
(LEAVE-AT-MOST 2 #\S "BANANAS") ==> "BANANAS"
Current Practice:
[Note: Pitman didn't try these examples in KCL or CMU Common Lisp. He's
working from data in Touretzky's last draft of this proposal, so someone
from those camps might want to test the assertions made here.]
#1: All correct implementations presumably return (A B A B).
This value is consisent with this proposal.
#2: Symbolics Cloe returns (A B A B).
KCL returns (A B A B) for lists.
This value is forced by this proposal.
Symbolics Genera and CMU Common Lisp return (B B).
KCL does something bizarre for vectors (``pads with n blanks or
NILs, where -n is the value of the :count keyword parameter'',
says Touretzky.)
These implementations would have to change.
#3: All correct implementations presumably return (B B).
This value is consisent with this proposal.
Some implementations have been known to signal a wrong type
argument error in the past, but have presumably been fixed.
#4: Symbolics Genera and Symbolics Cloe return (B A B).
CMU Common Lisp returns (B B).
These behaviors are consistent with this proposal.
#5: Symbolics Cloe and Symbolics Genera signal an error.
CMU Common Lisp returns (A B A B).
These behaviors are consistent with this proposal.
Cost to Implementors:
Some implementations would have to change. These functions are typically
heavily optimized by compilers. Not only source code, but also compiler
optimizers and perhaps even microcode or hardware might have to be
modified to fully accomodate this change, so it might be quite expensive.
Cost to Users:
None for Common Lisp users. This change is an upward compatible
clarification of standard practice.
Cost of Non-Adoption:
The behavior of these functions when given degenerate keyword values would
be unintuitive. In many such cases, considerable additional user code must
be written to watch for and avoid creating such situations.
Benefits:
More compact, more intuitive, and more portable code.
Aesthetics:
This change improves language aesthetics.
Discussion:
Fahlman suggests declaring "it is an error" for the value of :COUNT to be
negative. This has the advantage of making all current implementations'
behavior legal, no matter how bizarre. The disadvantages are that this
will be counterintuitive for beginners; it is less in keeping with the
spirit of the present wording of CLtL; and it will make functions such as
LEAVE-AT-MOST a little more complex, by requiring the user to throw a
(MAX 0 ...) expression around the value of :COUNT.
In the past there has been some argument about what SUBSEQ should do when
given positions greater than the length of the sequence. Currently it
"is an error" to specify positions less than zero or greater than the
length of the sequence. Touretzky doesn't think the same should apply to
the :COUNT keyword. The inputs to SUBSEQ are ordinal numbers: they specify
positions, like array subscripts. The value of :COUNT is not an ordinal,
it is an upper bound on the size of the set of affected items (which is
a cardinal number).
Pitman supports this proposal. [Hopefully Touretzky supports it, too?]