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Re: CLIM under MCL

  From: "William M. York" <york@parc.xerox.com>
  Date: 	Fri, 11 Feb 1994 14:20:55 PST
  
     Date:	Fri, 11 Feb 1994 08:26:00 -0800
     From:	"John C. Mallery" <jcma@reagan.ai.mit.edu>
  
         Date: Fri, 11 Feb 1994 02:27 EST
         From: berni@iml.iml.fhg.de
  
         Recent questions concerning clim for MCL kicked the
         following question in my mind: (I admit this is
         a good candidate for FAQ...)
  
         What is the status of CLIM 2.0 for MCL???
  
     Sounds like an understaffed and unsupported effort by Bill York and Denis
     Doughty with delivery date impossible to determine.
  
  This is essentially correct.  I would like to emphasize that progress
  is being made, however.  Big chunks of the "core" CLIM 2 software is
  running under MCL, and we are currently working on the adaptive
  gadgets and filling in the other holes.  I realize that the slow rate
  of progress is frustrating (no less to us, I assure you) but it is the
  best we can do.
  
Why can't there be a CLIM 1.9 which is essentially the 1.1 functionality
with the major bug fixes and syntax changes that make it CLIM 2.0
compatible? Couldn't you get that out the door in short order? Hopefully
it would fix the compiler-level bug I can't (a) work around and (b) if
I do work-around it, I'm not sure I'd trust what I get.

Perhaps someone from Lucid would like to comment on the "unsupported"
aspect of this? My impression upon purchasing this software from them
was that this was a "supported product". Their UNIX support is excellent,
so I know they know what "supported product" means, in one sense of the
phrase. And I was of the impression that they'd *hired* "consultants" to
do the MCL CLIM work, as far as the other sense of "supported".

Am I actually depending on delivering my software using an out-of-date,
unsupported product? I've avoided porting to the Mac because I was given
a "firm date" for CLIM 2.0 of Dec. '93 (which was a slip from Oct, which
was a slip from "late summer"). This unofficial word of another slippage
 - well, what can I say. If I sound bitter its because I'm feeling a cold
wind and a rope around my neck and I feel like I'm just waiting for
someone to give the chair a kick.
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