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Re: Random metaclasses for CL types
- To: Jon L White <jonl@lucid.com>
- Subject: Re: Random metaclasses for CL types
- From: David N Gray <Gray@dsg.csc.ti.com>
- Date: Wed, 24 May 89 18:34:43 CDT
- Cc: RPG@SAIL.Stanford.EDU, dussud@lucid.com, Moon@STONY-BROOK.SCRC.SYMBOLICS.COM, common-lisp-object-system@SAIL.Stanford.EDU
- In-reply-to: Msg of Wed, 24 May 89 08:03:20 PDT from Jon L White <jonl@lucid.com>
- Reply-to: <Common-Lisp-Object-System-mailer@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>
- Sender: GRAY@kelvin.csc.ti.com
> I see BUILT-IN-CLASS as a series of "fronts" for objects that exist
> in a Common Lisp implementation's extended type hiearchy.
...
> Viewed in this light, there is no reason at all why the flavor-implemented
> types shouldn't simply be represented by a place-holder class that is either
> an instance of BUILT-IN-CLASS, or some implementation-dependent subclass
> thereof.
>
> The question should arise: Why not require all "holy" types to be of
> metaclass BUILT-IN-CLASS (or implementation-dependent subclass thereof)?
> The answer comes from the fact that CLOS _does not_ provide for true
> information/structure hiding such as, say, Common Objects has. Thus if
> some implementation should support a "holy" type by using a STANDARD-CLASS,
> this would be visible to the end user. Furthermore, any attempt to apply
> some restrictions to such a metaclass (such as by providing overrides for
> SLOT-VALUE-ABUSING-CLASS to make it look to the user like these classes
> don't have slots) would also apply to the implementor, thereby totally
> nullifying the advantage or using a STANDARD-CLASS in the first place.
>
> Thus, because of the openess of CLOS, STRUCTURE-CLASS and STANDARD-CLASS
> must be allowed explicitly; but _any_ other implementational technique
> needs only BUILT-IN-CLASS as a "front", regardless of whether it is by
> microcode, by flavors classes, or by YetAnotherObjectSystem.
I don't see why flavor classes are any different from standard classes
in this regard. Our implementation provides for writing CLOS methods
that specialize on flavors and use SLOT-VALUE to access their instance
variables. True, flavors does have another way of writing methods that
can be used instead, but that wouldn't necessarily be true of all
implementation-defined metaclasses.
If you want to expose the slots as an implementation extension, fine, I
think that should be permitted. If you want to hide them, I think that
can still be done with a standard class. (Remember, we're talking about
an implementation here, not portable CLOS code.) For example:
(defclass hidden-class (standard-class)
((visible-class :accessor visible-class)))
(defmethod validate-superclass ((class hidden-class) (super standard-class)) t)
(defclass internal-pathname (standard-object) ( ... )
(:metaclass hidden-class))
; [implementation magic equivalent to:]
(defclass pathname (internal-pathname) () (:metaclass built-in-class))
(setf (visible-class (find-class 'internal-pathname))
(find-class 'pathname))
(defmethod initialize-instance :after ((instance hidden-class) &rest ignore)
; [implementation magic equivalent to:]
(setf (class-of instance)
(visible-class (class-of instance))))
Then the class PATHNAME appears opaque to users, but the system can use
methods on INTERNAL-PATHNAME. SLOT-VALUE would work in those methods
because they expect an INTERNAL-PATHNAME, which is a STANDARD-CLASS.
There would be an inconsistency in that a non-optimized call to
SLOT-VALUE would not work, but the system programmers who would be
affected by that should be able to understand that and work around it.
I don't think that this technique is much different from what would be
needed to create a built-in "front class" for an internal flavor class.