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Proposed Message regarding X3J13 Membership
Date: 09 Mar 86 1713 PST
From: Dick Gabriel <RPG@SU-AI.ARPA>
Below is a proposed message announcing the committee memberships,
progress, and what to do next. Please comment and/or amend this.
Once we all agree, we should mail it out.
Subject: Members of the Common Lisp Committee
At the December Common Lisp meeting Bob Mathis, Scott Fahlman, Guy Steele,
Dan Weinreb, Dave Moon, and Dick Gabriel were charged with the duty of
nominating a technical committee and a steering committee for the purpose
of defining an ISO Lisp. This message is to report on the membership of
those committees, to describe the actions we have taken towards making
those committees official, and to outline the next steps we need to take.
Were we charged with "nominating" or "appointing"? If the former, then
presumably there is some ratification step before we can claim that the
committee *is* as stated below.
First, we have decided not to create the committee under DARPA
sponsorship, but to operate within the ANSI framework, setting up a
committee for Common Lisp under X3 tentatively known as X3J13.
have international members, but we have not asked anyone outside the US to
join as yet, though we intend to invite some number.
Say rather: "ANSI committees are permitted to have members from other
countries. We have not asked anyone outside the US to join as yet, but
we intend to invite some number for the benefit of international
experience and cooperation."
By the way, I spoke to Ida last week (he was in Cambridge), and he
expressed interest in serving on an ANSI committee. Electronic mail
to him is supposed to be improving.
There are two committess of importance, the steering committee and the
technical committee. The steering committee is charged with guiding the
results of the technical committee through the standarization process,
particularly at the ISO level. The technical committee decides the the
language specification and develops a document specifying Common Lisp.
"the the"? [typo] Clarify whether or not the ISO level comes strictly after
ANSI acceptance, and indicate that status as an ANSI standard is a separate
and possibly independent goal.
The American members of the steering committee are:
Bob Mathis, Private Consultant
Steve Squires, DARPA
Ron Ohlander, USC-ISI
John McCarthy, Stanford University
Guy Steele Jr, Thinking Machines
Dick Gabriel, Lucid
Be formal: give full people and company names.
The American members of the technical committee were chosen according to
(1) The member must have a deep knowledge of Lisp and its implementation,
with experience in at least one serious Lisp implementation.
(2) The member must be a well-recognized, prominent individual. He or she
must be someone whose reputation is recognized internationally.
(3) The member must represent an important segment of the current Lisp
Well, I guess that last one disqualifies me, unless I represent users.
Who's representing the theoreticians? (How about Mitch Wand? But don't
take this too seriously.)
We recognize, though, that many important people have been left off of the
committee. In particular, not all implementation efforts are represented.
In order to recognize the contribution to Common Lisp that these efforts
have made by supporting Common Lisp and to ensure that the experience of
these efforts is not lost, we will ask each implementation group to
designate an individual to whom all technical decisions must be presented
before decisions are made.
This is an empty gesture unless there is some provision for feedback
from said individual. Why not just say that discussions will be held
mainly over the net, and that there will be an opportunity for comments
from the LISP community before decisions are made final?
Although these technical liasons will not officially vote on the technical
committee, the technical committee will consider the votes of these
individuals carefully when making decisions. One of the first tasks of the
technical committee will be to set up a set of procedures for making
decisions and accepting comments and proposals from the Common Lisp
community. Until then we can only state that a close working relationship
with the Common Lisp community and with the implementation groups in
particular is one of our main goals.
The American members of the technical committee are:
Alan Bawden, MIT
Dan Bobrow, Xerox
Scott Fahlman, CMU (Chairman of the Technical Committee)
Dick Gabriel, Lucid
Dave Moon, Symbolics
Jonathon Rees, MIT
Guy Steele, Thinking Machines
Add Griss. I have no objection to having an even number of committee
members; we can simply require a 5-3 vote to make any change. I'm not
sure I would want anything important to hinge on a 5-4 vote anyway.
(Which reminds me of the standard legal conundrum: what should happen
if Congress passes a law that henceforth requires a 6-3 vote of the
Supreme Court to declare any law unconstitutional, and the Supreme Court
subsequently declares it unconstitutional by a vote of 5-4?)
At this point a document has been submitted to the Standards Planning and
Requirements Committee of X3, known as SPARC, proposing the formation of
the X3J13 committee. SPARC is the committee which must approve the
formation of any new technical committees. The document outlines the need
for such a committee, the scope of the standard, the potential members of
the committee, and the plan and schedule for accomplishing the standard.
I hope that the standarization work informally started in the Lisp community
will continue to fruition at the international level.
"I" => "We"?
Alphabetize this list?