I strongly agree with Marty. I would love to buy some of Venues tools and products, some of Symbolics's, etc if I could use them with whatever Lisp compilers I had. I don't think this strategy is impossible, but it may be clumsy. Don Mitchell dmitchell@trc.amoco.com Amoco Production Company (918) 660-4270 Tulsa Research Center P.O. Box 3385, Tulsa, OK 74102 0,,