How can I get CLIM

[Charest@AI-SUN.jpl.nasa.gov (Len Charest)]

Can somebody tell me where/how to get CLIM. I'm not even sure if it is a commercial
product. At JPL, we have several applications running on Symbolics that we would like 
to port to Suns running SPE with either X or NeWS (to be determined) as the underlying
window system . CLIM sounds like the appropriate toolkit to use in re-coding our user 
interfaces to make them machine independent. Am I on the right track? Also, what is the 
difference between CLIM and CLUE? Any info is greatly appreciated.
	Thanx,
	Len Charest, JPL AI lab