In Billington's note to SLUG, he said that at LUV-91, a code-sharing arrangement was announced for Franz, Harlequin, Lucid and Symbolics. This arrangement will guarantee a very high degree of portability (and efficiency, I hope!). We really like CLIM for the Mac (under MCL) that ILA has done. Are they party to that agreement? I sure hope so. bob futrelle 0,,