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CLIM training possibilities

I have taken my CLOS application and started developing a CLIM
interface. I have Lucid CLIM on my SparcStation, ILA CLIM (on the way)
for my MAC-II, Genera 8.1 on my 3620 and XL400, and Symbolics CLOE
for my PC. I should be well on my way to a truly portable application.

However, I am finding that trying to learn how to design CLIM interfaces
just by inhaling the Symbolics reference manual is a difficult job.
I am spending a lot of time trying something, figuring out why it was
brain dead, trying something else...
The mailing list is a big help here; Someone asks a question, I say
"It never occurred to me that you could even TRY that!" and I get
a bit smarter.

It would probably accelerate my education at this point to attempt to
learn from the mistakes of others. I am fairly comfortable with CLIM's
concepts now, but I feel that it would help to see what common idioms
have been used by others. I have seen too many examples of learning
a system or language in a vacuum to trust that what I am now developing
is particularly good (for several definitions of the word "good").

Does anyone know of any training classes in CLIM?
Commercial offers are acceptable.
Any upcoming Conferences that have a CLIM tutorial?
Is anyone working on a <Sonia Keene - CLOS> level introduction to CLIM?
Any other suggestions, or is everyone else also just at the "Try things to
see how they look" stage?

					Skip Egdorf


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